https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/on-proof.html
In discussions about science, people will say that you cannot talk about the "proof" of a scientific theory. This often comes up in discussions between evolution refusers and regular people. People from both sides of the discussion will say, "The concept of proof belongs in mathematics and in measuring the strength of alcoholic beverages, but not in science."
Words can often have multiple meanings.
1) Axiomatic proof.
I live not far from Beaumont-de-Lomagne, in France, the birthplace of Pierre de Fermat, famous for his "Last Theorem" which claimed that the Pythagorean formula for any right-triangle, an + bn = cn where n=2, has no equivalent whole number solutions where n>2. He wrote in the margin of one of his books that he had a marvellous proof of his claim, but there wasn't enough space there to write it out. For 300 years, generations of mathematicians racked their brains trying to prove him right or wrong. Eventually, Andrew Wiles offered a proof. It was pored over by other mathematicians to check that he had made no mistake - that he had "played by the rules". They found that he hadn't. He had made an error. So what did he do? He retired to his study, and one year later, he had fixed his work. Fermat was vindicated, and Wiles was celebrated. But we will never know if Fermat had a proof based on the mathematics known at the time. Wiles used much more advanced mathematical techniques which would have been unknown to Fermat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem
There is a novel speculating whether Fermat really did have a proof and what that proof might have been, but it doesn't offer one. https://www.amazon.com/Last-Theorem-Arthur-C-Clarke/dp/0345470230/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
2) Proof of alcohol
"According to legend, the concept of “proof” comes from soldiers in the British Royal Navy, who (back in the 18th century) had to douse their gunpowder in rum as a test of its potency. If the wet gunpowder still ignited, it was “proof” the alcohol content was high enough, 57% ABV. If it didn’t ignite, well, you probably had some angry—and armed—British soldiers on your hands. (Another legend has it that rum needed to be at proof so that if a barrel broke on the ship, it wouldn’t render all that precious gunpowder useless.)"
There are other accounts, which you can find at the link, but the principle is the same. This may at first glance sound flippant, but there is a serious point to consider here. Proof spirit is determined by a test. It is not the same type of proof as axiomatic proof, but it is a form of proof.
3) Legal proof
From https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/beyond_a_reasonable_doubt
"Beyond a reasonable doubt is the legal burden of proof required to affirm a conviction in a criminal case. In a criminal case, the prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. This means that the prosecution must convince the jury that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented at trial. In other words, the jury must be virtually certain of the defendant’s guilt in order to render a guilty verdict."
4) Scientific proof?
Sir Fred Hoyle, often held up as a poster-boy for creationism, despite his other nutty ideas wrote, "Darwin’s theory, which is now accepted without dissent, is the cornerstone of modern biology. Our own links with the simplest forms of microbial life are well-nigh proven.”
–Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, Lifecloud: The Origin of Life in the Universe (1978), p.15-16 https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/fred-hoyle.html
A word about "assumptions". When you say something is the result of a theorem, it is not an assumption. It is true within your axiomatic system. No argument can be had over the result of a correctly formed theorem. The axioms themselves are the assumptions, and they are not necessarily true in some external sense. They are just the rules of the 'game'. But when you call a scientific conclusion an "assumption", I regard that as an insult. Scientific conclusions are arrived at by applying reason to the evidence. What assumptions are made in science? Only that there are no malicious little gods falsifying the evidence so as to mislead us and that we can normally trust our own faculties. As Galileo put it, "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."
I've concluded that Creationists generally aren't interested in science. We can test this on a case-by-case basis by offering up a paper for discussion; that has a way of clearing the air regarding actual scientific interest
ReplyDeleteThe multiple meanings of the word “proof” make it difficult to reply briefly to someone who says there is no proof of some well-established, well-evidenced scientific conclusion. Perhaps that is why so many science deniers are fond of using the word.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is often their meagre intellectual capacity or their very short attention span. :)
DeleteYou can't prove things in science for one good reason: science works by causing its hypotheses to make predictions and thenchecking to see if these predictions are confirmed or disconfirmed. If a prediction is disconfirmed, then this has the logical structure of (H => E & notE) => notH. This is a valid mathematical argument known as modus tollens, and is sufficient to **disprove** the hypothesis. However, if the prediction if confirmed, then IF we were to claim this as "proof", then the argument would have the logical structure of (H => E & E) => H. This is a fallacy known as "affirming the consequent". Thus confirming a prediction can only ever add to the evidence that a hypothesis is correct; it can never actually prove it.
ReplyDeleteDepending on the meaning of the word you are employing, as I explain in the article.
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