>- Responding to a post by Mark Nigro to the discussion group, Creation science https://www.facebook.com/groups/199046413446658/posts/37580953214829175
>- As Facebook is abysmal in its formatting and presentation facilities, If you are reading this on Facebook, I recommend that you go to my blog entry at https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/2026/07/responding-to-mark-nigro-part-1.html where I indent Marks words and show mine in red, preceded with ">-". It's much easier to follow.
>- As Mark's post has much that is not pertinent to the case for common ancestry between different kinds from endogenous retroviruses (ERVs), the subject here, I shall omit it for the sake of sparing unnecessary keystrokes and electrons.
>- I present the case and overrule the usual objections here, https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/2025/01/ERV-FAQ.html. This link appears at the top of all my blog posts.
Barry, you have several logical mistakes in this matter. One is that you argue that there should not be this level of similarity of these between the genomes of chimps and people.
>- No, Mark. That is not the point at all. I don't argue this. I show that there are specific markers in the genomes of Homo and Pan whose only reasonable explanation is that they entered the genomes of both species before our speciation from common ancestors occurred. The degree of similarity or difference in the rest of our genomes is irrelevant.
But you assume that God did not create these in their genomes.
>- We _conclude_ that they were created by endogenisation, the process by which retroviruses integrate a DNA copy of their genomes with the nuclear DNA of host species.
>- This explains why the worlds geneticists and virologists make this conclusion. https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/why-do-virologists-and-geneticists.html. Briefly,
>- The contents of ERVs are oriented to the retroviral replication cycle.
>- ERVs exhibit a viral codon bias.
>- Fully function exogenous have been resurrected by correcting mutations to ERV genetics.
>- A retrovirus KoRV, is in the process of endogenising in koalas.
>- ERVs exhibit a telltale target site duplications due to the action of retroviral integrase. These are exactly the same as in somatic cells directly infected by exogenous retroviruses.
Many evolutionists have claimed that the similarities in endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) between certain species prove common descent.
>- "Evolutionists" is a strange and rather quaint term. It sounds the same as using "gavitationalists", "atomicists", and germists", to denote regular folk who accept the findings of science.
>- Anyhow, many ERVs are identical in certain species, and where they are not, minor mutations account for the differences. But it is not merely the correspondence of the contents of ERVs that put common descent between species beyond any reasonable person's doubt. I go into the reasons @ https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/what-is-case-for-common-descent-from.html. Briefly, common endogenous retroviruses exist in every nuclear cell of the body, in precisely corresponding DNA loci. Direct integration by exogenous retroviruses would only affect a subset of cells, and the integration site would differ, going from one affected cell to another.
A. The failed prediction of junk DNA by evolutionary theory was not only illogical, irrational, unscientific and hence deceptive but has been refuted a number of times by introns, ERVs, LINEs, SINEs, TADs, etc. And the creation model has been vindicated each time.
>- This is a lie put out in desperation by creationists when confronted with the facts. As we have seen, it is overwhelmingly apparent to any objective person that ERVs derive from retroviruses. It is real scientists doing real science that have discovered that a subset of ERV components, components mind, have been scavenged by evolution and benefit their hosts. A complete, undamaged endogenous provirus would be fatal.
>- "Cdesign proponentsists often claim that the proof* of common descent from ERVs is falsified by the fact that elements of ERVs have been found to perform functions - sometimes vital functions, in the organisms in which they are found! It is true that they do, but this is a mere fig leaf to defend their antiscience creationism. It's all they have to try to cover up their nakedness when presented with the evidence from ERVs."
>- "The fact that some elements of ERVs perform functions does not come as a surprise to virologists and geneticists. It is they, and not the creationist/ID "scientists", unlike creationists who go by such names as The "Institute for Creation Research" and "the Discovery Institute" that never actually do any research, who found this out and published their findings in the first place (incidentally giving the lie to the theory that scientists are engaged in a multinational, multi-generational conspiracy to fool us about evolution)."
- https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/the-not-junk-efence.html
“ERVs are an essential component of the development of the placenta, not only for humans but a vast array of animals.”
https://www.news-medical.net/.../Researchers-review-the...
>- Syncytium formation in placentae is performed by a number of different syncytin genes in different ERVs in different chromosomes in different lineages, but interestingly, in the same relative position within the ERV, where you would expect to find a retroviral envelope gene. "Same design, same designer" breaks down here. Syncytium formation is a function of exogenous retroviruses for their own benefit. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nfltQc8kSg38bCZvxX_8HgV7jYPHKVcUgT5ojEU7J6Y/edit?usp=sharing
“In a recent review published in Cell, researchers explored the role of endogenous retrovirus (ERV) reactivation in the aging process.”
>-And?
>- To be continued.
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